The heart of our Epic + Zeiss CP.2 package is the Epic Dragon camera kit. Why didn't they advertise that more loudly when you buy a camera? Videos you watch may be added to the TV's watch history and influence TV recommendations. $195 each - Mounts directly to WEAPON brain. All this so that filmmakers have access to the best technology through rental or purchase!!!! Also available with Canon CN-E cinema primes for the same price. High frame rates. Shoot at up to 100 FPS at 6K, and even higher at lower resolutions. I read last test of Shane and be very happy with DRagon. Cables. While the RED Epic stands to improve on its predecessor in both technology and price, there is a cost hidden within the complex circuitry and 5K sensor of the camera. Also, when you configure the camera to capture in less than 6K, a higher crop factor is introduced due to sensor windowing (when you decrease acquisition resolution, you are not using the full sensor). SENSOR TYPE: RED DRAGON 19.4 Megapixel CMOS: EFFECTIVE PIXELS: 6144 x 3160: SENSOR SIZE: 30.7 mm x 15.8 mm (Diagonal: 34.5 mm) DYNAMIC RANGE: … Interchangeable and removable I/O options with accessible port placement. Did any of you guys see the 8k Super Hi-Vision demo at NAB? Reduser page for a good overview of capture resolutions, maximum frame rates, record times, crop factors, and more. Well, we have to window the sensor to do that, but let's do it. 15 bit color. The good side is I won't feel bad buying a Dragon Epic instead ;), April 13, 2015 at 9:36AM, Edited April 13, 9:36AM. It may be 5% "better. Do what you will with it. It sounds like a joke for this price. Why force people to pay for a Carbon Fibre body they don't need? Even Jim knows that Sony have done very well with the F65 sensor and that was obviously pissing him off, because his new Dragon sensor has just given the the … Remember at one point where RED was saying they were unnecessary because they could do everything better flat because they had more resolution than 4-perf? ... PRICE DROP Red Epic-W 8K Ready to Shoot Kit-Buy Now Splitting up to Sell Soon! What Movie Caused Steven Spielberg to Walk Out Stunned and Speechless? I will take two if that's what they really value them at. So to try to show how much "better" the Weapon is, they are claiming that the Dragon is 5K resolution with unclear DR and color, and that Weapon is better with 6K, 16+ DR and 15 bits colors, so exactly the specs of the epic Dragon.... That's why I prefer brands like Arri. original red digital cinema camera rod that came with red camera, no longer needed. The final upgrade price will depend on which camera you are trading in, but there will be $5,000 and $10,000 deposits depending on which package you're looking at. Upgrade Price when 8K ships at end of the year will be $20k. Eric DeHaven. View Profile. The point of beeing able to upgrade was quite important to me. Prior to every hire, the flange focal distance of our RED Epic Dragon and Scarlet cameras is verified using a collimator and a specialised lens. Follow. :-), Meanwhile...http://www.kodak.com/ek/us/en/Consumer/Products/Super8/default.htm. Brand new. i sold both my Car and My 2700sqft house to accomadate for this NEED in my life! So what cine lenses can cover this 40.96mm x 21.6mm sensor ? Making money. It didn't look much different than 4k. RED has finally opened up modules to 3rd parties, and the first ones on the market are from Offhollywood. Sadly no. You could get more minutes on a tape. I think the "pressure" was just to let people know that they would have an option. Get the best deals for red dragon 6k at eBay.com. I read that DRagon be better than Alexa, especially at lower ISO. I was a bit upset about all the hype around Weapon, and the "pressure to upgrade". But I think this 8K will put Red back in the lead. We can But there's also no need for them to put Red down in EVERY post about Red. 67 watching. But working with both systems, Dragon and Alexa, Dragon and now the Weapon exceed what the Alexa produces. Every accessory option you can imagine. If you own Epic-X Dragon After NAB, If you own SCARLET-X DRAGON before NAB, credit towards WEAPON is $5000. I didn't. If you order 8K now, you will receive 6K Weapon when 6K ships the beginning of July and be upgraded when 8K ships. The Red Epic Dragon offers you great dynamic range, up to 6K acquisition resolution, high frame rates and the flexibility of a RAW workflow. Also included in the price: BeBob Hot Swap buffer battery for V-Lock Top handle RED LCD monitor 7 x 128GB 1.8” SSD 3 x 256GB 1.8” SSD RED Station SSD reader RED side handle 6 x RED Volt batteries 3 x RED Volt chargers RED Bomb EVF RED Mote RED Quad battery for 4 x RED Volt batteries. The current Gold Standard in every way.". I'm not sure I need 6K for my projects, nor do I need the slow-motion capabilities. Red is a company like any other. Let us know in the box Free shipping. Resolution: 6K resolution translates to over 19 MP, packing the same detail you expect from your DSLR into a cinema camera. Arri BP-8 19mm studio bridge plate and Arri dovetail plate. Pro Res. For example 6K master, and 2K ProRes up to 120fps.Files recorded simultaneously to same mediaConsistent naming and internally accurate timecode (easier workflow than external recorder)Apple ProRes 444XQ, 444, 422HQ, 422 or 422LTAs well as tethered streaming ProRes - ProRes recorded proxy can be sent to Ethernet, while R3D master sent to media, They've introduced a new Magnesium PL mount as a separate option for $3,500. We have yet to see footage from the Arri 6K. Disappointing. There is footage in the works right now with the pre-production Red 8K. Color science is improved dramatically, sure it does not have the teal and orange look that comes out of the Alexa, but it's very easy to implement it after if the colorist knows what he or she is doing. Integrated dual digital front microphones, Simultaneous R3D and Pro-res recording in-camera. The thing that is most misunderstood about RED (and how the Alexa is so superior) is that RED lets you have all the technology they can muster. RED Epic Owners were all led to believe at last year’s NAB that the upgrade for their cameras to the new Dragon sensor was eminent. Gigabit Ethernet, CTRL, 3.5mm headphone jack, Timecode , phantom power, 2x Aux power out. I love the Epic but she has no chance beeing a dragon anymore! If you own Epic CF After NAB, If If you own EPIC-M DRAGON before NAB, credit towards WEAPON CF is $17,500. It is because it shoots ProRes. below. Javascript is disabled on your browser. There will be multiple versions of the WEAPON camera, with Carbon Fiber having slightly higher ProRes specs over the Magnesium Body (up to 120fps for CF and 60fps for Magnesium). At this point, I love my Dragon and the image it produces but the price/value and what it can do vs. competition isn't making much sense. It was completely unexpected to read that they decided to carve the whole body out of Magnesium, and it's really discerning to see REDUser guys pooping their pants over it. I love that the camera is constantly evolving and their firmware updates and color science improvements. I guess they've finally realized they won't be able to improve their color science so they might as well continue to up the rez? In addition that you are getting 8k, which will give you more detailed 4k and help you future proof your project. To view this site, you must enable JavaScript or upgrade to a JavaScript-capable browser. For example 6K master, and 2K ProRes up to 60fps. What I think is awesome is that there is an upgrade path in the first place. I'm Really excited for this camera!! Rental Days to Recoup Value. Cheers dude. RED EPIC Dragon 6K Cinema Camera Body PL Mount MINI-MAG SSD DSMC X See this Wait. As of right now, the big changes in the camera are ProRes recording internally simultaneously with R3D RAW files. 8192 x 4320 and a max frame rate of 75fps at 8K. Category. Info. They'd have to make a new set of lenses that would work with it. Like i said 10,000 to rent a day. $5k for a scarlet dragon, that's totally insane. RED Has Announced a New Camera Upgrade for DRAGON Sensors Called WEAPON, RED Summer Shipping Update for Their New WEAPON Camera, RED EPIC DRAGON & SCARLET DRAGON Specs, Upgrade Pricing, Warranty Information, and Price Drops, Writer, Director, Editor, Camera Operator, Director/Editor/Photographer/Motion Graphic Artist. 80 Reviews. This new 8K WEAPON will be an upgrade that is set to ship at the end of the year, but there will be significant discounts during the NAB show itself. Records R3D and scaled version of same footage as ProRes. Ergonomics much smaller and lighter than many of Arri's cameras. Lighter. As far as I know, Schneider makes those Xenon FF lenses, but that's it for Full Frame PL mount. So RED said, "Hey, let's give our loyal customers first dibs, it is the least we can do." Price: Low to High Price: High to Low Name: A to Z Name: Z to A Most Popular. Also...Scarlet Dragon worth after NAB is $2,500? PROBLEM SOLVED BABE, I sold them too for the insurace and upgrade factor i know ill need for this thing in 6 months. And it doesn't need an external recorder. 8K won't look any better than 4k or 6k. A bit oversimplified. Let's keep this list current — all cameras listed are currently for sale (AFAIK). The RED ONE in a simple setup. Hanuman Brown-Eagle. The camera is still cheaper than Alexa, but the reason why the cameras are raising in price is mostly due to cost of manufacturing while pushing the technology compared to other businesses. RED Weapon - 6K resolution, 15 stops, 150 fps raw (in 4K) + Pro Res simultaneous. Obligatory disclaimer: I do not own a RED and I hate a lot of what they do. I'm extremely underwhelmed by this. So, in a way I am glad they are still willing to push and piss people off. It's just a drastically better sensor than the MX for a lot of reasons. (teal and orange color) Which is why many DP's don't like using it, it's harder to color grade. And what do people do? 8K full-frame... can't wait for all those unfocused shots lol. Have a peek at the marketplace policy. Where's the SloMo on your 5D? Our eyes would have a hard time even on an IMAX screen, HOWEVER - the 8K will help for push-ins and stabilization BIG time. Im still shaking my head as to what all the build up was for. It's about 50% more expensive than the Alexa Mini which is the main competition. Is that why Hollywood chooses it so often? 7. No cables. The fundamental difference is that with Apple, when they make their big grand product announcements that whip the fanboys up into a frenzy, it only costs a couple or few hundred for an iPod, iPad, or phone. I love the Alexa and what it can do, but RED as a company (outside the silly names, designs and warning labels) has produced a phenomenal product. Who cares. Tech Specs. Let's say the Alexa color science (teal and orange not included) really is that much better than Dragon. Speak to us today about your requirements. They've also eliminated black shading, added built-in wireless connectivity, apparently lower fan noise, and tethered ProRes streaming, where the ProRes is sent over Ethernet. :D, April 13, 2015 at 7:47AM, Edited April 13, 7:47AM. April 13, 2015 at 11:17AM, Edited April 13, 11:17AM, April 13, 2015 at 3:38AM, Edited April 13, 3:38AM, I guess we are finally in the season of bank loans, April 13, 2015 at 4:01AM, Edited April 13, 4:01AM. With Apple, it's, for most people (excluding big workstation purchases) just disposable income. It will be no different with 8K. The thing I like the most about higher K's is the step up in richness in color, the pop in color, with each higher K. It keeps getting pop-ier. ;) Color science is already improved and will continue to improve over the years to represent true color, to allow filmmakers to manipulate it however they want. And lay off the sour grapes. I've shot on Red One, Epic, and Dragon. There's also Leica Summicron-c and CP.2's! If you own Scarlet-X Dragon After NAB. Most redusers are honest, hard working industry people. Shots that were to be used in heavy VFX situations were shot in Arri RAW. Regardless of how much it costs, or that now they say Scarlet Dragon is only worth $2500, it is a path. Pretty stunned at how ridiculous this is. Red does not make much return from new cameras, the goal is just to push digital imaging technology. Enter the Dragon. College? We bought our Red Epic a few month ago. S/N ratio and ISO is clean up to ISO 2000. $17,495.00. Hope you look past brand name. Someone correct me if I'm wrong though, or missing something. Dual monitor ports on Brain for EVF/LCDs. The maximum frame rate supported by the Epic Dragon is dependent on capture resolution. Data based on CamelCamelCamel.com, Last updated December 20th, 2018. While I love my camera and workflow, I was not super thrilled with the high pressure upgrade deadlines. It was cheaper. newsletter today. I prefer Red's mostly due to alot of customization and and workflow. They sell cameras, upgrade them, use the parts from the upgraded cameras to sell them again in another form. For the maybe couple thousand people who do ...congrats? to quote on a kit. Data last updated December 20th, 2018. See all of our preconfigured Red Epic Dragon packages. Again, lots of options brings out the whiners. Red has improved it's dynamic range over a year ago, and is improved further with the Weapon processor. So the specs are up. Plus you can adapt many more lenses and have the option to change olpf's and have global shutter with motion mounts. Sculls and warning signs all over the design (how childish)\\\DO NOT OBSTRUCT/// JETPACK:)))... Then you have to pay USD1750 to get basic connectors, which were "free" on my Epic. You're signed out. Arri bridge plate adapter with 15mm LWS rod bracket. Shoots 4K and RAW to an external recorder if you want. also put together something to suit the requirements of your production - just ask us (I'm not going to harp on about the size of it or the price comparisons). I think that's the end of the RED ladder for me until a simple metal version or upgrade is available... and even then, I'd never trade in this Scarlet Dragon body for as low as $5k. Do you have any link Dragon vs Alexa's that you say? Another $5,000 if you want the accessories. ISO Smaller. Select exposure times from 1/8000s to 1/8s without calibrating. Here's to hoping for some success this year. my wife says its going to ruin our marrage and family. But, what matters is what you do with it. $3950 - 2 x 3-pin Full-Size XLR audio in, DC in, HDMI out, USB power out, HD-SDI out, Genlock in, Gigabit Ethernet, CTRL, 3.5mm headphone jack, Timecode , phantom power, 2x Aux power out. April 16, 2015 at 5:37PM, Edited April 16, 5:37PM. If playback doesn't begin shortly, try restarting your device. Introduction With a 5-point lead over the Nikon D800E which was the previous best-performing sensor in our database, the Epic Dragon achieves the highest DxOMark score we’ve seen to date, at 101 points. Accessories. On an 8K screen sized 52 inches, this effect would be achieved in a distance of 50.8 cm (20 inches) from the screen, and on a 92 in screen at 91.44 cm (3 feet) away. It just harder to color grade, cause you don't have that look already applied to the image. If you want a heavy dose of complaining read the comment threads at NoFilmSchool. I will tell R&D that customers want a teal and orange profile. Judging from your profile pic you already seemed to have pledged your allegiance to ARRI, while probably closing the door to Dragon. First, I will say, I am no RED fanboi. Focus pullers will have an amazing time on those projects. Zeiss Compact Prime CP.2 LensesZeiss Ultra Prime lensesCooke miniS4/i Cine LensesSony CineAlta 4K Lenses RED EPIC-W Upgrade for V7.0.4 Update Fixed rare occurrence of horizontal green lines in recording on GEMINI Salt Lake City in 6K (shot on RED Epic Dragon) Watch later. Some of the Weapon redesign decisions are nice, but the 8K full frame sensor is the only thing that will radically change the "look" we can already achieve with an existing Epic Dragon... and even with a trade-in, it'll cost 46K-56K to get there. There was no mention of better low light performance either. Magnesium will be completely out of date with no sensor upgrade path by the end of the year. $1150 - REDVOLT XL slot, 12V DC IN, 2x 12V 3.8A Aux ports, also trickle charges attached batteries. Well I guess the good point is that we will not read anymore about the incredible "generosity" of Red like if they were some kind of charity. Price much cheaper than the Alexa and definitely much cheaper than the Alexa 65mm. ... Cinematics Cine lens sigma 50-100 for red epic komodo dragon sony … Existing RED MINI-MAG 512GB cards are already ready for transfer speed increase. Yeah, value on those has dropped considerably. Copy link. So I am not disappointed after all. Both systems are great as I said before. Way back in the day, VHS and BetaMax battled it out. Additional batteries are available for hire. April 13, 2015 at 5:13PM, Edited April 13, 5:13PM. This isn't the cost of time or quality – it equates to real money – so if you're stretching … For Sale: RED Epic Dragon 6K. 6K and 8K. Honestly most of the people producing content these days don't need 8K. As to not letting people know what is next as far as models and the like, there is a much, much bigger offender, and it is the most valuable company in the world. And anamorphic? https://offshoot.rentals/product/red-epic-dragon-plus-zeiss-cp-2-lens-package From where I stand, I wouldn't have done this upgrade if it was $2,999. I have friends who own C300s who have seen the blowouts on the camera and the super low used prices because of course, the Mark II is out. $9,300.00. The components in this package are from the top manufacturers in the industry. Same goes for EpicMX now I assume. Sign up to our NAB price for the upgrade is $10k additional to Weapon CF or Weapon CF upgrade during NAB only. Why people are complaining is odd. 13 watching. Include contact details if you want us to contact you. I doubt very much that an end user would ever be able to tell any quality difference between Epic and Dragon footage. Just have to learn the differences, just like you had to learn the differences between analog and digital. They've also eliminated black shading, added built-in wireless connectivity, apparently lower fan noise, and tethered ProRes streaming, where the ProRes is sent over Ethernet. ", August 29, 2015 at 9:15AM, Edited August 29, 9:15AM. That simply isn't the case anymore and when the Alexa still puts out a better image, I'm starting to wonder what reason (other than perhaps specifically resolution or frame-rates) someone would have to justify going the Red-route... Where alexa put out better image? 40.96mm x 21.6mm sensor will not help for focusing ..... April 13, 2015 at 6:05AM, Edited April 13, 6:05AM, A 1.4 lens on super 35 is still hard to incorporate, Alexa 65 is an amazing system, no lie. 1/2 stop of DR. Yes.. it's better than the EPIC- MX. Meh. $1750 - Includes 3.5mm mic jack, headphone jack, HDMI out, HD-SDI out, CTRL, SYNC, DC in. Each battery typically powers the camera for around 2 hours, depending on accessory configuration. dynamic range Offshoot Rentals Pty Ltd Up to 50% higher data rates to card. Wooden Camera C-Box for more convenient placing of SDI out jacks. ( it's a lot BIGGER than Super35 format ), April 13, 2015 at 5:03PM, Edited April 13, 5:03PM. This package offers you a ready-to-shoot Epic Dragon kit at a very attractive price. And then later announced they were no longer going to make lenses at all? "6. PL lenses don't cover full frame....So what lenses are they expecting to use with this camera if it has a PL mount? It's 100+ pages on what you need to know to make beautiful, inexpensive movies using a DSLR. The RED ONE was RED Digital Cinema’s first production camera. 5K resolution, high frame rates, monster dynamic range and improved color. Totally agree. Oh it's the company who pushed people to upgrade their scarlet-x to dragon to be able to get the incredible weapon offer, even generously decreasing the upgrade price from 12500 to 9500$ to get them there, and who is now offering 5000$ for their camera as a trade in for weapon? Red? The new Will Smith Movie "Focus" (cut on FCPX) was shot on Alexa. Apple Is Sued for Telling You That You're "Buying" Movies, 'Mindhunter' May Rise for Season 3 After All, Watch 10 Animated Short Films on the Shortlist for the Academy Awards, The Pros and Cons of Integrating AI into Filmmaking, Watch: 3 Lessons on Shooting a No-Budget Feature Film, Yes, You Can Get Film Distribution Without a Producer—Here's How, The Best Filmmaking Deals of the Week - April 22, http://www.kodak.com/ek/us/en/Consumer/Products/Super8/default.htm.